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From Charles Lyell   16 July 1867

73 Harley St. London

16 July 1867

To Charles Darwin Esq

My dear Darwin

… What a change in 14 years—all the neolithic & paleolithic period, & your “Origin” since my 9th Edition!1 I shall be very curious to read what you will say on Man & his Races. It was not a theme to be dismissed by you in a chapter of your present work.2 You must have so much to say & gainsay. If you had treated of Man in your present book, I think I should have been disposed to keep back mine, that I might start from the new goal, but as it is, I am content to declare, that any one who refuses to grant that Man must be included in the theory of Variation & Natural Selection, must give up that theory for the whole of the organic world.

Have you seen Rüttemayer “Die Herkunft unserer Thierwelt”.3 I must read it. He seems to take the derivation hypothesis for granted in all his reasoning. I do not like to have to controvert Sir John Herschel, but surely his recently published doctrine of almost every active volcano being at the junction of continents & the sea, is untenable.4 The number of insular volcanoes rising from the deep ocean is very great, & where the ocean is from three to six miles deep, there are probably as many unknown to us, as in the less profound parts of the ocean. We should have known nothing of Madeira & the Canaries, if they had been strictly in Mid-Atlantic. Herschel’s explanation is that rivers carry down a great weight of matter from the land to the bed of the sea. The latter area is loaded while the land is relieved of pressure, then comes a crack in the solid crust along the coast line for the crust overlies the internal fluid nucleus. Up goes the light area, & down goes the heavy one, & the lava oozes out like water when ice cracks.— How does this account for the eruption which happened the other day in the deep sea in the Samoa group of islands in the Pacific.5 To me it seems that the absence of water is the reason why we have not inland volcanoes. They require steam, they get this first near the land, then a thousand miles or more distant from it, as in the Azores, & then probably in deeper water where we cannot witness the outburst at the surface.

But Herschel says that the waste of the continents causes the laying on of so much new solid substance over the bottom of the Pacific as to cause that bottom to be sinking (p. 12. Familiar Lectures on Scientific Subjects). Have you any where spoken of the cause of volcanoes not being far from the sea?6

We go to Paris in a fortnight & then to Scotland to return in Septr. | Ever affectly Yrs | Cha Lyell

Footnotes

Lyell was working on the tenth edition of his Principles of geology (C. Lyell 1867–8); the ninth edition had been published in 1853 (C. Lyell 1853). Origin had been published in 1859. Lyell discussed the finding of stone tools from the Palaeolithic and Neolithic in C. Lyell 1867–8, 2: 558–64.
CD was working on the proofs of Variation (published in January 1868; see Correspondence vol. 15, Appendix II). He had decided not to include a chapter on humans; the material he had collected was later developed into Descent and Expression. See Correspondence vol. 15, letter to J. D. Hooker, 8 February [1867].
Ludwig Rütimeyer, Rütimeyer 1867b (The origin of our animal world).
See John Frederick William Herschel’s Familiar lectures on scientific subjects (Herschel 1866, pp. 1–46). See also C. Lyell 1867–8, 2: 229.
On the submarine volcanic eruption beginning in September 1866, near the islands of Tau and Olosenga (now Ta‘u and Olosega), see the Salisbury and Winchester Journal, 20 April 1867, p. 2.
For CD’s reply, see Correspondence vol. 15, letter to Charles Lyell, 18 July [1867].

Bibliography

Descent: The descent of man, and selection in relation to sex. By Charles Darwin. 2 vols. London: John Murray. 1871.

Expression: The expression of the emotions in man and animals. By Charles Darwin. London: John Murray. 1872.

Herschel, John Frederick William. 1866. Familiar lectures on scientific subjects. London and New York: Alexander Strahan.

Lyell, Charles. 1853b. Principles of geology; or, the modern changes of the earth and its inhabitants considered as illustrative of geology. 9th edition, entirely revised. London: John Murray.

Lyell, Charles. 1867–8. Principles of geology or the modern changes of the earth and its inhabitants considered as illustrative of geology. 10th edition. 2 vols. London: John Murray.

Origin: On the origin of species by means of natural selection, or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life. By Charles Darwin. London: John Murray. 1859.

Rütimeyer, Ludwig. 1867c. Ueber die Herkunft unserer Thierwelt. Eine zoographische Skizze. Basel and Geneva: H. Georg’s Verlagsbuchhandlung.

Variation: The variation of animals and plants under domestication. By Charles Darwin. 2 vols. London: John Murray. 1868.

Summary

Curious to read what CD will say on man and his races.

Has CD seen Ludwig Rütimeyer’s Ueber die Herkunft unserer Thierwelt (Rütimeyer 1867c)?

Discusses J. F. W. Herschel’s theory of active volcanoes existing at the junction of continents and the sea.

Letter details

Letter no.
DCP-LETT-5582F
From
Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
To
Charles Robert Darwin
Sent from
London
Source of text
The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Lyell collection Coll-203/B9)
Physical description
2pp C inc

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