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From Charles Lyell   8 September 1860

Summary

Believes CD’s argument against special creation based on absence of terrestrial mammals on islands isolated before Pliocene era is very strong. However, the absence means Cetacea and bats have not modified towards terrestrial existence. There is similar lack of development of bats and rodents in Australia. Constancy among land shells of Madeira over long period shows that the majority of their species are immutable: a minority of "metamorphic" species maintains the overall number of true species while extinction removes many. Emphasis on the role of extinction discomfits CD’s opponents since the power of generation of new species ought to keep pace. Mentions Ammonite deposits with reference to CD’s comments on their apparent sudden extinction [Origin, pp. 321–2]. Perhaps absence of transmutation on slowly subsiding atolls indicates the slow rate of selective change.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  8 Sept 1860
Classmark:  The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Lyell collection Coll-203/A3/6: 179–86)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-2908A

From Charles Lyell   18 September 1860

Summary

It is strange that Agassiz, who is for the "sanctity of species", should favour Pallas’s view of hybrid origin of domestic dog.

CL has not meant to advocate successive creation of types but to question assumption that all mammals descended from single stock. Why should a Triassic reptile or bird not move towards mammalian form because an ancestral marsupial has appeared? Believes recent appearance of rodents and bats in Australia explains their lack of development.

Can CD supply a reference on plant extinction on St Helena?

Believes marsupials better adapted for surviving drought in Australia than higher mammals.

Will not press argument about lack of development of mammalian forms on islands, but CD should note objection.

Does CD’s belief in multiple origin of dogs affect faith in single primates in different regions?

Does time lapse between putative independently descended mammalian forms mean first form will "keep down" later incipient one? Thus Homo sapiens has prevented improvement of other anthropomorphs; bats and rodents on islands would prevent improvement of lower forms into mammalian.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  18 Sept 1860
Classmark:  The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Lyell collection Coll-203/A3/6: 187–95d)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-2920C

From Charles Lyell   25 September 1860

Summary

Returns "excellent" MS in which CD favours hybrid origin of domestic dog, which CL believes strengthens case for common progenitor of wild species.

Doubts CD’s authorities for antiquity of dingo.

Variation will raise many points for investigation.

"Leporine" hare–rabbit hybrid should be investigated.

Has re-read passages in Origin that CD suggested.

Annals of Natural History would probably reprint Gray’s review of Origin at their own expense.

CD’s thought that modern reptiles could not develop into existing Mammalia but only into another high form is a "grand notion" compatible with "the infinite capacity of the creative power".

Comments on New Guinea marsupials.

Still thinks that the Australian genera and species are so well fitted for extraordinary droughts that they would get the better of the dingo.

Suggests that once there were more races of man, though from common stock. Competition and then hybridity checked divergence.

Falconer’s views on elephant classification. CL attaches little value to Falconer’s objection that mastodons and elephants do not come in chronologically, as they should in CD’s view.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  25 Sept 1860
Classmark:  The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Lyell collection Coll-203/A3/7: 3–12)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-2927A

From Charles Lyell   27 September 1860

Summary

Fears that multiple origin of the domestic dog will be extended to mammals or man. Believes, with Hooker, that whatever occurs in domestication is possible in nature.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  27 Sept 1860
Classmark:  The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Lyell collection Coll-203/A3/7: 12)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-2930A

From Charles Lyell   30 September 1860

Summary

Expects lack of diversification of immigrant mammals on long isolated islands will come to show slowness of selective change.

Asks whether CD has speculated on turtles becoming terrestrial on remote islands.

Perhaps non-diversification on islands is explained by tiny proportion of variable species. Those that vary on continent may not do so on island.

A. Gray is afraid of objections to Origin from imperfection of fossil record.

His argument with Falconer over the hypothesis of limited modifiability.

Are the bird-like characters of the Apteryx parts not yet suppressed or nascent organs?

Extinctions of ammonites, belemnites, and hippurites are striking. Perhaps ammonites made way for higher cuttle-fish.

Believes hybrid origin of domestic dog would weaken objections to treating white man and negro as species. Are there not many reputed species among the Mammalia more closely related than these races?

Objects not to the term "selection" but to what CD assigns to it. It should not be confused with the "Creative power" behind variation and the "capacity of ascending in the scale of being".

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  30 Sept 1860
Classmark:  The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Lyell collection Coll-203/A3/7: 13–19)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-2932A

From Charles Lyell   [after 3 October 1860]

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Summary

CD would have carried the public more if he had explained adaptations by multiple causes, some unknown and some well known, i.e., natural selection.

Discusses Hooker’s views of extinction on St Helena.

Work on antiquity of man suspended.

Stopped by 11th edition of Principles of geology [1872].

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  [after 3 Oct 1860]
Classmark:  DAR 205.9: 397
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-2937

From Charles Lyell   6 October 1860

Summary

Wonders why the coracoid bone in the flightless Apteryx is so large when the clavicles are reduced. The clavicles are even separate in the ostrich. The large coracoid in reptiles is explained by the connection to the forelimbs.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  6 Oct 1860
Classmark:  The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Lyell collection Coll-203/A3/7: 22)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-2940A

From Charles Lyell   24 November 1860

Summary

CL has calculated that elevation and subsidence of certain formations in Sweden and Norway take place at the rate of 2 1/2 feet per century. He now proposes to estimate the age of a bed by including a conjecture that pauses occur in the oscillations in the ratio of 4 periods of stasis to one of movement. Applying this formula to Scotland, the last subsidence and re-elevation would be 590,000 years and the age of the beds with human implements would be 20,000 years.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  24 Nov 1860
Classmark:  The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Lyell collection Coll-203/A3/7: 40–8)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-2996A

From Charles Lyell   30 November 1860

Summary

Satisfied that CD finds his conjectured rate of elevation and long periods of stasis reasonable, even if these periods cannot be estimated. Explaining upheaval by subterranean lava flow makes these pauses plausible. Suspects that mountainous areas move more than lowland and coastal areas. General upheavals or subsidence in Europe in glacial period are unlikely. Believes with Jamieson that there was glacial action in Scotland before its submergence and that it was equally mountainous then. Subterranean upheaval visits different countries by turn. Horizontal Silurian strata must have been submerged and upheaved. Rest has always been the general surface character. Believes, however, that the quantity of late Tertiary movement is against CD’s belief in the constancy of continents and oceans: perhaps since the Miocene period, but not since the Cretaceous.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  30 Nov 1860
Classmark:  The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Lyell collection Coll-203/A3/7: 49–57)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-3001A

From Charles Lyell   4 October 1859

Summary

Response to Origin. Praise for summary of chapter 10 and chapter 11.

The dissimilarity of African and American species is ‘necessary result of “Creation” adapting new species to the pre-existing ones. Granting this unknown & if you please miraculous power acting’.

C. T. Gaudin writes of Oswald Heer’s finding many species common between Miocene floras of Iceland and Switzerland. Interesting for CD’s migration theory.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  4 Oct 1859
Classmark:  DAR 170: 81; The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Notebook 241, pp. 75–90)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-3132

From Charles Lyell   30 September 1861

Summary

Asks for copy of CD’s paper ["Ancient glaciers of Caernarvonshire", Collected papers 1: 163–71]. Gathers that drift of Moel Tryfan is glacial.

Believes Glen Roy roads formed later than submergence of Scotland.

Asks CD’s opinion concerning relative chronology of various glacial deposits, particularly a flint tool find in the Ouse River near Bedford.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  30 Sept 1861
Classmark:  The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Gen.112/2813-16)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-3270

From Charles Lyell   22 October 1861

Summary

Ice could not have formed the blockages in Lochaber unless in every case the water escaped over some col into a contiguous valley on the same watershed, or into the eastern watershed. Supposes that the cols were not land-straits, but the places where the lakes were drained when forced to flow the wrong way.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  22 Oct 1861
Classmark:  Natural History Museum, Library and Archives (General Special Collections DC AL 7/1)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-3294F

From Charles Lyell   26 December 1836

Summary

Comments on [MS of] CD’s paper ["Elevation on the coast of Chili" (4 Jan 1837), Collected papers 1: 41–3].

Invites CD to dinner. "Don’t accept any official scientific place, if you can avoid it".

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  26 Dec 1836
Classmark:  K. M. Lyell (1881) 1: 474–5
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-335

From Charles Lyell   13 February 1837

Summary

"I could think of nothing for days after your lesson on coral reefs, but of the top of submerged continents. It is all true, but do not flatter youself that you will be believed, till you are growing bald, like me, with hard work & vexation at the incredulity in the world."

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  13 Feb 1837
Classmark:  The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Lyell Collection Coll-203/B9)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-343

From Charles Lyell   [28–31 March 1862]

Summary

Suggests that the height of the water which formed the shelves in Glen Roy was determined not by the height of the blocking glacier but by the height of a col. Notes problems in the idea.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  [28–31 Mar 1862]
Classmark:  American Philosophical Society (Mss.B.D25.274)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-3463

From Charles Lyell   20 August 1862

Summary

Jamieson has revisited Glen Roy and confirmed his theory of glacier lakes.

A. G. More considers CD the most profound of reasoners.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  20 Aug 1862
Classmark:  K. M. Lyell ed. 1881, 2: 358; The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Lyell collection Coll-203/B9)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-3691

From Charles Lyell   29 August and 5 September 1837

Summary

Syenitic granite from Norway carried as far as Osnabruck.

Has met warm reception in Germany.

Leopold von Buch mistaken in believing that granite overlies transition rock in Norway. Granite sends veins into transition and gneiss.

Has been examining fossil shells of Crag with Heinrich Beck. Beck admits some shells are of species still living.

CL still believes Eocene, Miocene, and Pliocene are satisfactory divisions of Tertiary epoch.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  29 Aug and 5 Sept 1837
Classmark:  K. M. Lyell ed. 1881 2: 20–3
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-376

From Charles Lyell   11 March 1863

Summary

Defends position he takes on species [in Antiquity of man]. CD overestimates CL’s capacity to influence public. Will not dogmatise on descent of man; prepared to accept it, but it "takes away much of the charm from my speculations on the past". Cannot go to Huxley’s length with regard to natural selection. Responds to CD’s comments on Antiquity of man.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  11 Mar 1863
Classmark:  K. M. Lyell ed. 1881, 2: 362–4
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-4035

From Charles Lyell   15 March 1863

Summary

Lyell has received compliments for letting readers draw own inferences [on species question]. Now feels he earlier did Lamarck injustice. [CD’s] substitution of variety-making power for volition [as in Lamarck] in some respects only a change of names.

Thinks Huxley taking on too many responsibilities.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  15 Mar 1863
Classmark:  K. M. Lyell ed. 1881, 2: 364–6
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-4041

From Charles Lyell   9 May 1863

Summary

Has been to Osborne on the Isle of Wight to visit Queen Victoria, who had lots of questions about CD.

Author:  Charles Lyell, 1st baronet
Addressee:  Charles Robert Darwin
Date:  9 May 1863
Classmark:  The University of Edinburgh Centre for Research Collections (Lyell collection Coll-203/B9)
Letter no:  DCP-LETT-4149F
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