From H. T. Stainton 29 February 1868
Mountsfield, | Lewisham. | S.E.
February 29th 1868
My dear Mr Darwin,
I now reply seriatim to the points noted in your letter of the 18th inst.1
1. The Males of the Emperor & Brimstone butterflies are visibly more numerous than the females—but with me that is no evidence that their numbers are really greater—2 Mr Doubleday says of the Emperor moth (Saturnia carpini or Pavonia-Minor) he breeds more males than females, but I doubt whether you would find that the general experience.3
2. With reference to Pamphila Actaeon I can give no information.4
3. In many genera of moths the males have whiter underwings that the females— this renders them much more conspicuous in the evening dusk— The common Agrotis exclamationis is a good instance of this.5
With reference to the Oenistis quadra I have no information.6
4. I cannot call to mind that I ever noticed an instance of courting in the Fritillaries or Vanessæ.7
I have seen it in the white butterflies but then the female was sitting down calling the male— whether there had been any preliminary stages I cannot say.
5. I am not aware of any moths in which the underside is more conspicuous than the upper side (of which in Butterflies we have such a striking instance in the Green Hair Streak Thecla Rubi)— the underside of the Red Underwing is very conspicuous but not more so than the upper side.8
6. With a few exceptions all the most gaily coloured moths are diurnal in their habits.
7. Generally speaking there are no strongly marked sexual differences in the Tineina in a few cases we have apterous females, then females with abbreviated wings as in Chimabacche Fagella 9— the differences in colour & marking are most conspicuous in the genus Elachista—but the long-horned moths of the genera Adela & Nemotois 10 are the most singularly different—whilst the differences are very slight in the wings— the antennae, eyes, palpi & clothing of the head are quite different.
Towards the end of April & beginning of May a little whitish moth Elachista rufocinerea flies along the hedge-bottoms towards dusk— these are the males on search for the female. By looking carefully on the blades of grass a female may be seen at rest— she is at once recognised by her whiter & rather more pointed wings— not unfrequently the female will be found not at rest, but sitting with her wings expanded & her body raised, fluttering her wings—& this may be noticed when there is no male near.— the males flying along the hedge-bottom come to such a female & congregate round her perhaps as many as 12 or 20— one pairs with the female & the rest fly onwards in search of other females.11
In reference to your letter of Feby 21 I cannot say whether the artificial condition of life of a caged caterpillar in any way affects the sex—but I strongly incline to the belief that if collected in the pupa state the majority would still be females.12
I enclose you copies of some correspondence I had just had with Mr Doubleday & Mr Hellins on this subject, which I thought would interest you.13
Many years ago I had much diversion with the Scotch form of Lasiocampa Quercus & almost any number of males might be caught by taking a bred female on to the moors they frequented.—14 but yet I never knew the slightest difficulty in breeding a female if 2 or 3 pupæ were obtained & as Mr Hellins well puts it if you had only one pupa it was far more likely to produce a female than a male.
You will find mention of the assembling propensities of the males Bombycidae in Westwood’s Introduction to the Modern Classification of Insects vol II p. 38415
I do not think that a male insect serves more than one female
I would in conclusion throw out the suggestion that you should call the attention of Entomologists to points (on which you want information) to be observed during the coming season.16
[Enclosure]17
H. T. Stainton to Henry Doubleday, Esq. Epping
Feb. 25, 1868
Mr Darwin is at present collecting information as to the relative numbers of the sexes in insects.
I have told him that my experience as a breeder is directly opposed to my previous experience as an insect–collector, as in breeding I find the females predominate.
I should be glad if you would give me any details of your experience, especially where you have reared an entire brood of a species.
Even in the Bombycidae of which the males swarm round a female I fancy the bred females preponderate.
Pray excuse my troubling you with this query, but your experience in breeding Macros 18 has been so great & so long continued, that your observations will be most valuable.
Henry Doubleday to H. T. Stainton
Feb. 26, 1868
I received your welcome letter this morning & beg to assure you that I am always glad to give you any information that I can upon Entomological subjects.
I am decidedly of the opinion that the males of all insects are more numerous than the females, & I do not recollect a single instance among the MacroLepidoptera when I have reared whole broods, in which the females were more numerous than the males. —some years since I reared a large number of Selenia Ilustraria 19 from the eggs & I think two-thirds of them were males—it was the same with broods of Orgyia gonostigma, Saturnia Carpini &c.20
I have never reared whole broods of any of the MicroLepidoptera.
I think the males of Gonepteryx Rhamni 21 for instance, must be far more numerous than the females, as when they re-appear in the spring, none of the common White Butterflies are out & you certainly see a dozen males to one female.
I have seen many hundred male Miana fasciuncula but not more than half a dozen females, two of which I took last May.
The females of Miana strigilis are common enough but not quite as abundant as the males.22
I shall have much pleasure in answering any more questions upon this subject.
H. T. Stainton to the Rev. J. Hellins, Chaplain’s House, County Recson,23 Exeter
Feb. 25, 1868
Mr Darwin is busy collecting information as to the relative numbers of the sexes in insects. Now my experience as a breeder of Micros is that the females preponderate—as you must have had considerable experience by this time in breeding Macros I should be glad to hear what you have found to be the case, more especially in those instances in which you have reared an entire brood.
If you have had sufficient experience of insect collection in the pupa state I should be glad to learn whether in those cases the females do not also preponderate.
Pray excuse the trouble I am giving you.
Rev. J. Hellins to H. T. Stainton
February 26, 1868
My impression is decidedly that as a rule I breed more female moths than males–a rule not without striking exceptions—still holding so generally good, that if I had one egg—one larva and one pupa—I should expect to breed a female moth; or if I had two or three—still I should not quite expect to get a male: i.e. trusting only to chance.
When I dug pupae I fear I didn’t keep account—but if you will give me ten days I will look up my note books & see what I can find out.
I understand that those who keep poultry expect more cocks than hens, & such people have been surprised to hear me say what I found in the case of my insects.
Also—my children have been keeping guinea–pigs for the last two years & certainly the “old mother” who was the foundation of their stock & has gone on having broods ever since, has produced more sons than daughters!
You know I don’t often rear large broods—because I don’t care for heaps of specimens, only to watch the transformations & six larvae are much more likely to thrive than sixty.
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Footnotes
Bibliography
Descent: The descent of man, and selection in relation to sex. By Charles Darwin. 2 vols. London: John Murray. 1871.
Fletcher, David Stephen. 1979. Geometroidea. Vol. 3 of The generic names of moths of the world, edited by I. W. B. Nye. London: Trustees of the British Museum (Natural History).
OED: The Oxford English dictionary. Being a corrected re-issue with an introduction, supplement and bibliography of a new English dictionary. Edited by James A. H. Murray, et al. 12 vols. and supplement. Oxford: Clarendon Press. 1970. A supplement to the Oxford English dictionary. 4 vols. Edited by R. W. Burchfield. Oxford: Clarendon Press. 1972–86. The Oxford English dictionary. 2d edition. 20 vols. Prepared by J. A. Simpson and E. S. C. Weiner. Oxford: Clarendon Press. 1989. Oxford English dictionary additional series. 3 vols. Edited by John Simpson et al. Oxford: Clarendon Press. 1993–7.
Stainton, Henry Tibbats. 1867. The Tineina of Syria and Asia Minor. London: J. van Voorst.
Westwood, John Obadiah. 1839–40. An introduction to the modern classification of insects; founded on the natural habits and corresponding organisation of the different families. 2 vols. London: Longman, Orme, Brown, Green, and Longman.
Summary
Replies to CD on proportion of sexes in butterflies, coloration of moths, and courtship. Encloses copies of letters on these subjects between HTS, Henry Doubleday, and John Hellins.
Letter details
- Letter no.
- DCP-LETT-5960
- From
- Henry Tibbats Stainton
- To
- Charles Robert Darwin
- Sent from
- Lewisham
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- DAR 85: B52-3; DAR 86: A16;
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- inc †, encl 4pp † & ACC 7pp
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Also published in The Correspondence of Charles Darwin, vol. 16