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From W. E. Darwin   [8 December 1879]1

Basset

Monday

My dear Father.

I return you Guthrie which I have been very much interested in.2 He certainly shews that Spencer makes far too vast a claim as to what his formula includes, and convicts him of absolute contradiction about the mutability of the homogeneous.3

The book as a whole seems to me to shew that as long as Spencer is discussing inorganic evolution the word “force” & “forces” are confusing and unnecessary according to his formula; but as soon as he comes to organic life there are signs that he either consciously or unconsciously feels that “matter in motion” is insufficient, and that something further included in the word “force” is needed; as when he says “the reader must be reminded when applying the formula to life & society, in what sense the interpretations must be understood namely that they are to be interpreted in “terms of force”” without its being explained anywhere what the terms are4

And Guthrie I think shows that any formula to include organism &c must probably include force (apart from matter and motion) as represented by an original consciousness of the ultimate units of matter, or consciousness rising at a later period; which last idea seems to me less logical than the first.5

I cannot conceive how Spencer can make the evolution of language society industry actually the integration of matter & dissipation of motion; though the evolution of language may be very similar, I think the book brings out in spite of its criticism the wonderful parallelism that does exist in evolution of the world, and that if Spencer’s is only a “description” and not an “explanation”, anyhow evolution is the process and some one else has to frame a better formula.6 I shall like to see what Moulton says about it, if he writes to you.7

The part about the unknowable seems to show that Spencer juggles with the “relative” & the “non relative”, but I am not up to it.8

I hope your Romanes visit went off without much labour.9

Thank you for the label writing description10

Your affect son | W E. Darwin

I think this American pen after all is extremely pleasant to write with.

Footnotes

The date is established by the relationship between this letter and the letter from J. F. Moulton, 10 December 1879. In 1879, the Monday before 10 December was 8 December.
CD had sent William a copy of Malcolm Guthrie’s critique of Herbert Spencer’s views on CD’s theory of natural selection, On Mr. Spencer’s formula of evolution (Guthrie 1879); CD’s copy is in the Darwin Library–Down. For CD’s admission of his failure to appreciate Spencer’s work, see Correspondence vol. 11, letter to J. D. Hooker, 23 [June 1863].
See Guthrie 1879, pp. 115–20. Spencer’s formula (p. 115):

Evolution is an integration of matter and concomitant dissipation of motion, during which the matter passes from an indefinite, incoherent homogeneity to a definite, coherent heterogeneity, and during which the retained motion undergoes a parallel transformation.

See Guthrie 1879, p. 127. Guthrie was quoting from the third edition of Spencer’s First principles (H. Spencer 1875).
See Guthrie 1879, pp. 128–31.
See Guthrie 1879, p. 138. Guthrie’s central point is that while language, science, industry, and art may involve integrative processes, not all are integrative processes of matter.
See Guthrie 1879, pp. 152ff.
CD evidently visited or was visited by George John Romanes while he was in London from 3 December 1879 (Emma Darwin’s diary (DAR 242)).
No letter from CD to William mentioning label writing has been found.

Bibliography

Guthrie, Malcolm. 1879. On Mr. Spencer’s formula of evolution as an exhaustive statement of the changes of the universe. London: Trübner & Co.

Spencer, Herbert. 1875. First principles. 3d edition. London: Williams and Norgate.

Summary

Returns Guthrie. Comments at length on Guthrie’s critique of Spencer.

Letter details

Letter no.
DCP-LETT-12346F
From
William Erasmus Darwin
To
Charles Robert Darwin
Sent from
Basset, Southampton
Source of text
Cornford Family Papers (DAR 275: 72)
Physical description
ALS 3pp

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Darwin Correspondence Project, “Letter no. 12346F,” accessed on 24 April 2024, https://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/letter/?docId=letters/DCP-LETT-12346F.xml

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